tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post158039063498785053..comments2023-12-21T03:13:11.317-08:00Comments on jazztruth: Further Ado about Nicholas PaytonGeorge Colliganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11277569607502834278noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-7795273272555794652012-02-09T07:03:31.478-08:002012-02-09T07:03:31.478-08:00nicholas payton has sure changed his view on the w...nicholas payton has sure changed his view on the word jazz: <br /><br />check out how much reverence he gives it on HIS OWN BLOG SITE:<br /><br />http://nicholaspayton.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/on-playing-jazz-2/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-34531370182736801962012-02-01T17:59:39.418-08:002012-02-01T17:59:39.418-08:00This whole thing makes me sad. Brent Black and hi...This whole thing makes me sad. Brent Black and his transparent aliases are bad enough, but the fact that a great trumpeter like Nicholas Payton has to smack down anyone who disagrees with him, including musicians, is even more depressing. I wonder if he ever apologizes to anybody. Add in bullying, sexism, and a sense of contempt for your own fans, and it's no wonder the music has such a small audience. if you think that contempt doesn't communicate to listeners, you are sadly mistaken.<br />Thanks you for all the great music Nicholas, Marcus, Dwayne, George, Allen. I hope you get the credit and rewards you deserve.Mawg (middle aged white guy)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-41414262770069552162012-01-17T19:13:57.314-08:002012-01-17T19:13:57.314-08:00I have an idea. These guys call Jazz the J-word w...I have an idea. These guys call Jazz the J-word which is obviously a reference to the N-word. The music was great when it was routinely called Jazz and its originators were routinely thought of and referred to as niggers. Maybe we're going about this the wrong way. Instead of calling it BAM, we should call it nigger. You'll definitely attract a young black audience with that (not to mention white hipsters and horny white women). What better way to keep whitey from trying to play it. It's a win-win. Unfortunately the music usually comes before the word so it doesn't matter. Unless all you really care about is money and fame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-36836151457964054752012-01-17T18:49:32.609-08:002012-01-17T18:49:32.609-08:00Remember the good old days when the furor was over...Remember the good old days when the furor was over the quality of music like in the Bebop era or when Coltrane was going out in the 60's? Jazz really is dead. Maybe the internet blog will become an art form in and of itself and NP (Black American Moron) will go down in history as its great originator when the Facebook era is remembered. Facebook will make a great tool for future fascist dictators, plenty of empty-headed sheep out there waiting for a strong man no matter how weak his credentials.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-71530855434482328112012-01-06T01:20:19.326-08:002012-01-06T01:20:19.326-08:00I downloaded Bitches and I played it on itunes and...I downloaded Bitches and I played it on itunes and thought the first tune was awful and formed a pretty bad opinion then the 2nd tune played and I said wow this is really funky maybe I was wrong go ahead Nick! Turned out it was on shuffle and it was a track from Snoop Dogg. He's just mad that his precious BAM was co-opted by musically ignorant post adolescents decades ago. There's no doubt that great American Jazz music was originated by blacks from New Orleans, just not anymore. Talk all you want, Snoop is way better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-67914857528240333632011-12-30T22:19:54.910-08:002011-12-30T22:19:54.910-08:00anyone thinking payton can sing should check out t...anyone thinking payton can sing should check out the tune "in the zone" on you tube...what a joke! the other person was right - name of the new album "have you seen my career lately"....HOMIE CAN NOT SING! not all black folk can sing but some of us think we can. just sad......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-41210031596476528082011-12-29T17:15:54.573-08:002011-12-29T17:15:54.573-08:00payton mentions picasso. i want to change the nam...payton mentions picasso. i want to change the name of what he does to WEA. its for everybody though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-73255182864258647162011-12-21T00:18:46.030-08:002011-12-21T00:18:46.030-08:00Thank you for the good writeup. It in fact was a a...Thank you for the good writeup. It in fact was a amusement account it. Look advanced to far added agreeable from you! By the way, how could we communicate?tiffany jewelleryhttp://www.tiffanysaleukco.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-27401129118287678162011-12-17T19:51:28.354-08:002011-12-17T19:51:28.354-08:00I'm tired of listening to white MEN and black ...I'm tired of listening to white MEN and black MEN argue about whether "bitches" is offensive. I'm a black woman, a jazz musician, and I'm offended when I see a picture of a black woman with the word "bitch" on it or anywhere near it. It's for album sales, don't get it twisted. Quit trying to justify it.Dawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-46009593077983410032011-12-15T12:59:13.896-08:002011-12-15T12:59:13.896-08:00who are these rich white people? Names, please.who are these rich white people? Names, please.Allen Lowenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-28715458812399557512011-12-15T03:37:45.707-08:002011-12-15T03:37:45.707-08:00BAM will catch on when the rich white people contr...BAM will catch on when the rich white people controlling the music industry decide it's a good idea... which is exactly what happened to "jazz" and generated this whole controversy, so you guys can already start thinking about another name for the thing... or just make some more music. <br />I'm nobody, just sayin'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-29010793760343207272011-12-13T20:39:33.465-08:002011-12-13T20:39:33.465-08:00perhaps if nicholas spent as much time playing his...perhaps if nicholas spent as much time playing his horn as he does trolling the internet he could be on the charts again...this is all about publicity. jazz has their own snoop dog and its nicholas "have you seen my career lately" payton.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-14273328124603191102011-12-13T17:43:52.986-08:002011-12-13T17:43:52.986-08:00Well this whole issue should finally kill off the ...Well this whole issue should finally kill off the last three paying fans of live jazz. The Jazzpocalypse is now complete.Margotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-56971287884379663372011-12-13T14:24:56.907-08:002011-12-13T14:24:56.907-08:00This seems like nothing more than a fight between ...This seems like nothing more than a fight between a few of the elites of the jazz world. The vast majority of jazz fans knows nothing of nor could care less about this issue. They are looking for entertainment. Blog fights like this occur in other areas outside of jazz and they always end by flaming out with nothing being accomplished except a bunch of bruised egos. The word Jazz won’t go away because there is too much money attached to it. At best, BAM might develop into a handy way to market a diverse field of talent under one tent, but trust me, the word jazz will wiggle its way into the mix. With a shrinking arts dollar due to hard economic times, BAM might be used constructively to build a bigger economic pie for the artist involved. Outside of the jazz scene, this whole fight comes off as downright ridiculous. <br /><br />PS You might want to copyright BAM since I’m sure marketers are already figuring out how to steal it from you.Jonesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-33652305237056493302011-12-12T19:57:17.142-08:002011-12-12T19:57:17.142-08:00Hey, I wanna have dinner with you cats!LOLHey, I wanna have dinner with you cats!LOLGeorge Colliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277569607502834278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-58874541776689318262011-12-12T09:28:12.928-08:002011-12-12T09:28:12.928-08:00Gerard: Louis Armstrong? How did I try to "pu...Gerard: Louis Armstrong? How did I try to "punk out" Pops? <br /><br />You don't have any idea about my personal relationships nor do you know exactly what was done and said to me for me to say what I have about anyone.<br /><br />It's not your business, but Marcus has since apologized and we're having dinner tonight.<br /><br />BAM!<br /><br />- Nicholas Payton aka The Creator of BAM aka The Savior of Archaic PopAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-77293087303998083112011-12-12T09:23:21.266-08:002011-12-12T09:23:21.266-08:00I've been saying "The J Word" was de...I've been saying "The J Word" was dead since 2009.... FYI http://nicholaspayton.wordpress.com/2009/08/19/on-this-whole-death-of-jazz-thing/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-55305148746487911302011-12-12T09:20:58.744-08:002011-12-12T09:20:58.744-08:00Let's see Nicholas: you've tried to punk o...Let's see Nicholas: you've tried to punk out Louis Armstrong, Marcus Strickland, and now Wallace Roney. Strick and Roney didn't take it to any personal place, but you and your short fuse "have to go there."<br /><br />Seems like you don't need white critics to treat black musicians with a lack of respect. You're doing that very well on your own.Gerard Coxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-90338764969065790522011-12-11T13:26:05.866-08:002011-12-11T13:26:05.866-08:00The first person to voice an opinion like Nicholas...The first person to voice an opinion like Nicholas Payton's was John Beaty, Felix Pastorius, Chris Ward and Zaccai Curtis with the Stretch Movement. I would check our their website www.mymomthinksimgreat.com/petition<br />Richard Bona, Bobby Sanabria, and many others were publicly supporting these young guys long before Nicholas Payton even blogged Jazz is Dead. Just saying...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-48945910825167415262011-12-11T08:16:42.849-08:002011-12-11T08:16:42.849-08:00well, Anders was ok (sort of) until he let us know...well, Anders was ok (sort of) until he let us know that only dance music is real jazz. So write off Paul Bley, Roscoe Mitchell, Albert Ayler (yeah, right, I'm sure a lot of you out there danced to Albert), Bud Powell (ditto), Lennie Tristano - I play a lot of blues but I don't want anybody out there dancing. We play listening music. And I'm glad we're back to the "black music" argument; see Ralph Ellison on this one, and tell me about the white saxophonist Dave Schildkraut, whom Dizzy himself told me was "the only alto saxophonist to capture the rhythmic essence of Bird." So much for racialist theories. But I digress.Payton is a fool, great trumpeter but a fool, especially for demeaning Louis Armstrong (who did NOT bow and scrape)....Allen Lowehttp://www.allenlowe.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-19088050643208711772011-12-11T04:56:40.293-08:002011-12-11T04:56:40.293-08:00George, what is Wallace talking about? "You k...George, what is Wallace talking about? "You know, George, Miles didn't hate the word Jazz! He hated what he felt America perceived Jazz to be!" <br /><br />Uh, hello? That's exactly what I said. Had Wallace bothered to read or understood what I wrote he'd see I have the same problem as Miles with "The J Word", the negative cultural connotations and its racial implications. It's not about the spelling or the word itself. Duh!<br /><br />Here's the thing, even if Miles loved "The J Word", I don't ultimately give a fuck. It's only "JA**" musicians who place more value on the beliefs of the past then those of their own. What do YOU think Wallace? Do you have any thoughts beyond what Miles would do? I think the fact that a man in his 50s still tries to dress and sound like someone did 50 years ago speaks to the heart of what is wrong with "The J Word". <br /><br />Necrophilia is alive and well.<br /><br />BAM!<br /><br />-Nicholas Payton aka The Creator of BAM aka The Savior of Archaic PopAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-77937971074355122502011-12-10T16:23:38.159-08:002011-12-10T16:23:38.159-08:00Thanks for the kind words John and Joe, as well as...Thanks for the kind words John and Joe, as well as for posting George! <br /><br />So I am listening to "Bitches" right now, and I actually think Nicholas is quite a good singer! I am quite frankly a little bit surprised HOW good! This is not a train wreck by any means! Nicholas has a pleasant voice, a little bit of Luther Vandross in there, and the performance of Esperanza on the 2nd track (a duet with Nicholas) is really wonderful. Boy she can sing but Nicholas holds his own by staying in his own comfort zone, vocally speaking. I think it's an effective track, it's got a great groove too! And it's not the only one. I am on track 7 now and I haven't felt the urge to skip any. Guess how often that happens? <br /><br />It's not an album about blowing in an acoustic jazz context, although there are plenty of beautiful trumpet moments and parts. Witness the opening to "You Are The Spark". <br /><br />Speaking as someone that has to think about "positioning" and how to market artists, it is always difficult to find a way to explain to an audience - especially of an artist that is already established and primarily known for one thing, in Nicholas case for being a great Jazz (whoops!) trumpeter - that this artist is now primarily a vocalist on his album. It's a challenge to make that transition work in marketing terms because of the complexity of the message. Our age doesn't deal well with complexity! <br /><br />And this kind of album has to go out there and compete head-on with the Usher's, the Jay-Z's etc., and it has to be viewed favorably in that context, not just in terms of the songs, the playing, the singing but also production values when those kind of albums have had sometimes millions of dollars and man-years of work put into them by highly skilled and talented people. I am not saying "Bitches" falls short, but just that that's the measure it will be held up against. Because many jazz stations won't play this music, and many jazz critics, like Brent Black, will write it off as this or that. Sometimes musicians primarily known to play improvisational music want to make the transition into more popular genres, but it is a very difficult thing to pull off, because now you also have to put that artist in different venues than he's ever played before (Nicholas is not going to play a concept like "Bitches" at the Village Vanguard that's for sure), with a different group of promoters that might not have any history or reverence for this artist etc etc. Huge challenge! <br /><br />But I think Nicholas has crafted a very nice sounding album, he definitely sounds good as a vocalist, he still plays beautiful trumpet, he's got some interesting guests and the album functions well in multiple settings, so I hope that he'll be successful in getting this across to as many people as possible!Anders Chan-Tidemannhttp://www.wommusic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-84098035867985240752011-12-10T08:06:58.372-08:002011-12-10T08:06:58.372-08:00Beautiful piece by Anders Chan-Tidemann, a very go...Beautiful piece by Anders Chan-Tidemann, a very good writer. I need to catch up on what is happening on the NP blog. All I know for sure is that he's one of my favorite contemporary musicians, in any category.<br />-Joe Lockejoe lockehttp://www.joelocke.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-87337186361424333032011-12-10T07:34:50.469-08:002011-12-10T07:34:50.469-08:00Very interesting and thoughtful comment from Ander...Very interesting and thoughtful comment from Anders. The only thing I can think of to add to it is to speak, again, to the issue of credibility. So much of jazz criticism is objectionable to me for the same reason much writing on jazz history (especially the early stuff) is, because it's produced by amateurs with no serious musical or scholastic training. Sometimes this plays out as undiscerning fan-boy valorization of lightweight stuff, like Bunk Johnson's seriously sub par late work, or the uncritical acceptance as fact of his self-serving "historical" reminiscences. More often it takes the form of negative crititicism lacking in any basis in actual musical-historical analysis, what Brent Black defends as his "opinion." I have no idea what Mr. Black's qualifications as a critic are, but I suspect they include no serious musical training. If they did, why not talk about the music in a substantive way, instead of just dumping an "opinion' on it.<br /><br />to me, this is just another level of disrespect for the music. No serious publication would ever hire a classical music critic without formal musical training, but jazz gets lumped in with the "pop" stuff, and is too often written about by folks who don't have the knowlege to discuss ANY kind of music in a substantive way, and thus focus on "opinion" stuff.<br /><br />I don't care about anyone's "opinion,' as I'm perfectly capable of forming my own. Tell me about the music.John Dohenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13904152411585477081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1713397068832099475.post-36412180132408611282011-12-10T01:39:10.605-08:002011-12-10T01:39:10.605-08:00Dig that!Dig that!Chip Tinglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15435411845874195703noreply@blogger.com